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Lovers and Haters

By Beercloud
4/18/2019 4:32 pm
With all the biotchin and complaining Ive seen on here lately, I thought Id make a thread about why this game brings out such passion with us gamers. As most good games do. I'll try not to biotch about the biotchin too much. But can't promise anything.

We're gonna have lovers and haters no matter what game we're playing. It's just the nature of the beast. This is not saying that everyone that finds something about the game they think is wrong or has a different view point is a hater. Or that someone who likes something about the game or has a different view point is a lover. But there are always haters that all they seem to do is hate on things and vice versa with the lovers side. Someone who is all one way, may or may not have an agenda. Who knows? Maybe it's just their personality. Most gamers fall somewhere in between those two extremes. And this game is no different. Im going to try to fall into this category with this post. But warning, Im a lover not a hater so.......... Just sayin.

Football is a passionate game in RL. As you can see, it is in the sim world too. What is a sign of a good game? When your emotional about it. Your happy when you win and pissed off when you lose = Passion. That rings true here in MFN.

In RL when your team wins, everything is peachy keen and awesome. Short and sweet end of story. When your team loses everything sucks and there are a million things wrong. It's the coaches fault, its the refs fault, that's a stupid rule, the GM is an idiot, our QB is blind and throws too many int's, the other team got all the breaks, they should change this and they should change that and on and on. See any resemblance going on here @ MFN?

The big difference in the comparison is that in the real world we're at the bar, at the game, at a buddy's house, with family or on some occasions by yourself. In the sim world there's really only one place to go...........the forums. That's pretty much it, for better or worse. In RL the venting usually goes away after that next beer or piece of pizza and the convo changes to the weather or whatever. Here we dont have that luxury, so when someone vents a post, it just sits there like a broken record. If you talked to me about something that happened in a RL game, there's a good chance that I won't remember it a week or two. But when a convo is post here, it is there for you to see over and over again. Which in some cases can fester as you all can see in some of these threads on the forum. Peeps pile on an there ya go. It can become Doom and Gloom.

The Lovers:
This game has so many good features and game play in it that the good out weighs the bad 10 fold. I love the game planning and the fact that watching game film is so important. I love the fact that not every player is as good or as bad as they are on paper. I love the fact that a top draft pick is not always a guaranteed star. And who doesn't love finding that diamond in the rough in the late rounds every blue moon? I love that different attributes mean different things depending on your scheme. I love the whole over ride system and the chess game that goes with it. I love the playbooks and the info that comes with it. I love the play familiarity thing. I love the sticky notes and notes you can write on each player. i love that you can click on a player and his card comes up and that you can open a bunch of em and drag them around however you want. I love the roster management. I love the competition. I love dots.

The Haters:
I hate the coaching system both with salaries and how they're used. I hate the lack of money management. I want more franchise controls like ticket prices, stadium renovations, stadium advertisements, staff management, budget management etc... I hate that there is no personality traits for players or coaches. I hate that weather isn't more of a thing. I hate free agency trends. Like too many top guys signing day one. I hate that signing and resigning players are too easy. But that's where personalities would play a part. I hate when GM's complain about a version before they've had time to even get two or more seasons of it under their belts. I hate when rookie GM's come into this game acting like they know it all and say the game is dying blah blah blah before they even have a full season into the game itself. Disillusioned? A profit? A troll with multi accounts? Dont know but hate it.

That was all my love n hate list and this is already way too long and I still could've added a ton more in both the lover and hater categories. I better stop here. Bottom line is that feedback is a good thing. But it's got to be done constructively if it's going to help anything.. There are some incredible GM's here with a lot of knowledge. Pay attention to them. They break the game down in great detail. This is a great football game that is imo the best out there. Its in beta and will have it's adjustments along the way of course. Whether we love em or hate em. Hopefully they never stop. Feedback is a good thing but the doom n gloom bs is just that. bs.................Did I mention that you dont have to pay one red cent to play this game? hmmmm Ya that's thing.






Re: Lovers and Haters

By punisher
4/18/2019 5:27 pm
Beercloud wrote:

The Haters:
I hate the coaching system both with salaries and how they're used. I hate the lack of money management. I want more franchise controls like ticket prices, stadium renovations, stadium advertisements, staff management, budget management etc... I hate that there is no personality traits for players or coaches. I hate that weather isn't more of a thing. I hate free agency trends. Like too many top guys signing day one. I hate that signing and resigning players are too easy. But that's where personalities would play a part.


Seems someone needs to start suggesting things and those things they hate goes from 10 things to maybe just 1 thing .

Re: Lovers and Haters

By frank
4/19/2019 2:36 am
no reason to be here if it isnt fun. should be able to have fun without winning, right? of course winning is more fun.....it would be fun to be able to design plays is my suggestion. would probably be a lot of work for programmer(s). i hope creator(s) is making some good side money with this.....i havent pitched in yet....going to soonlike

Re: Lovers and Haters

By frank
4/19/2019 2:40 am
punisher wrote:
Beercloud wrote:

The Haters:
I hate the coaching system both with salaries and how they're used. I hate the lack of money management. I want more franchise controls like ticket prices, stadium renovations, stadium advertisements, staff management, budget management etc... I hate that there is no personality traits for players or coaches. I hate that weather isn't more of a thing. I hate free agency trends. Like too many top guys signing day one. I hate that signing and resigning players are too easy. But that's where personalities would play a part.


Seems someone needs to start suggesting things and those things they hate goes from 10 things to maybe just 1 thing .


the coaching salaries are a bit confusing....i am glad to not have to deal with president issues such as ticket prices and renovations
Last edited at 4/19/2019 2:41 am

Re: Lovers and Haters

By Beercloud
4/19/2019 12:05 pm
punisher wrote:
Seems someone needs to start suggesting things and those things they hate goes from 10 things to maybe just 1 thing .


My lovers n haters list wasn't the point. The point is we all prolly have different things on our lists. Just because we have something in our hate list doesn't mean it's all doom n gloom. The game and us as GM's will adjust as we go.

Re: Lovers and Haters

By punisher
4/19/2019 12:22 pm
Beercloud wrote:

My lovers n haters list wasn't the point. The point is we all prolly have different things on our lists. Just because we have something in our hate list doesn't mean it's all doom n gloom. The game and us as GM's will adjust as we go.


True.....just the thing is lets say someone made a love and hate thing and they like 20 things they loved and 50 things they hate that is different from yours and really like 45 of those things they could suggest that would make the game better then really you could say if those things came about they would have 65 things they love and 5 things they hate.

to me that would be like making a list of pros and cons about something and your cons had more than pros because in theory if that was the case it is probably better to leave your job , quit that game , leave that environment , etc.

Re: Lovers and Haters

By Smirt211
4/19/2019 12:22 pm
Love: Creation. Being able to devise game plans and watch them come to fruition. When you open up a game it's limitless to what your strategy can do offensively and defensively for the game. Maybe you scouted to perfection and are able to drive ball carriers back to negative yardage for a game or minimal or maybe your offense hits on all cylinders and in-game records are shattered. Love you can have so much control over moving those dots, watching them perform to peak levels.

Hate: The above has been under fire with tight code changes but I'll keep it positive. :)


Re: Lovers and Haters

By Michael77
4/19/2019 3:28 pm
One thing is for sure despite all the complaining about the code: This game is still way better than Deeproute and other game sim products out there. Hence why I will still play this game and just roll with whatever changes come.